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Team America '04 - Leaders in War Profiteering

October 06, 2004

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The United States has been the foremost exporter of weapons of all kinds of destruction since the end of WWII, Britain is close behind in second place. War is a massive economic driver, has been since the First Great Depression - think about it........we've been at war since the 1940's. War is now perpetual.

Profit is critical in a fractional reserve banking system that depends on a central bank. So war and driving profit and growth are very synergistic. When you add perpetual growth, war and taxes together you get an amazing soup of global dysfunction that now spans decades, if not century's.

Wouldn't you like to see just how many tax dollars have been spent on the Cold War, the Vietnam War and now the War on Terrorism since 1940. It'd staggering.

And now the current "Team America" seem hellbent on breaking all previous world records for creating mayhem, violence, terror and therefore war profits. Lets take a look at some of the basics:

Carlysle Group connections to current and former world leaders are now well known. The Bin Laden family were investors in Carlisle, which is run by such notables as Bush Snr, James Baker, former Prime Minister John Major, Frank Carlucci, among others. These guys have stakes in the Unocal pipeline in Afghanistan, the Anthrax vaccine (which we don't hear much about right now), some of the latest, most expensive weapons systems - like the Crusader - and a number of other massively profitable businesses that are flourishing with the massive injection of freshly printed cash this government is flooding in to the domestic defence economy - let the good times roll!

Dick "Halliburton" Cheney has now helped his former employer to more than $4.2 BILLION of tax payers money. Of course now Kellog, Brown & Root have been busted they are being left out in the cold, they will probably even make a temporary loss before being re-made in another image, re-branded and re-launched. Look at the history of war profiteering with US companies since WW II (even before that back as far as the Civil War) it is disgusting.

Buy a copy of "Trading With the Enemy" which tells the story of the Bush family connections to the Nazi's and how they profited in prior generations. This is not a new phenomena - they are dynasty's built around war profiteering.

But it's not just about directly profiting, someone has to do some of the dirty political work.

Remember Paul Bremer, former Sultan of Baghdad and longtime Kissinger protege? He has now made public that he needed more troops to win the peace in Iraq - now there's a concept. He took over Iraq "after" the war and needed more troops to police the Iraqi people than were needed to win the war in the first place. Someone screwed up somewhere!

Rumsfeld, aka Skeletor from the old Masters of the Universe cartoon show, has now admitted that there is no provable link between the Saudi Arabian terrorist group called Al Qaida and the former US-backed dictator (turned rogue) Saddam Hussein. Well most of us knew that before the war - why didn't they just ask some of us?

First British President Tony Blair has now formally apologized for his lies about weapons of mass destruction (blaming the intel community). Now the world is forgiving him for at least being man enough to finally tell the truth, in the old days he would've been voted out of office - but the elite in Britain have decided not to offer up any credible opposition to Blair so the people continue along the road towards a Fascistic Monarchy, somekind of new political entity!

The whole notion of WMD in Iraq is intriguing - IF they found WMD where would they have been manufactured??? Who would've been the suppliers? Well I think we know the embarassing answer to these questions - labels on the sides of those cannisters would've said "Made in the USA by Team America."

Cheers Rich

Posted by rlancaster at October 6, 2004 12:56 AM
Comments

Thank you, Rich. You are so right.

Here is more:
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1217-08.htm

Emily

Posted by: Emily at October 6, 2004 09:52 AM

I'm so glad, comrade that you see the evil of someone daring to make a profit.

Posted by: abadon at October 6, 2004 12:45 PM

To all those mentally addled people whining about
not enough troops being sent to Iraq: Have you forgotten that there are other potentially big hot spots in the world as well. Wouldn't you look foolish if you put all of your eggs in the Iraqi basket only to wake up and find that
N. Korea has just launched a lightning war against the South, or that China has just invaded Taiwan. (We are obligated to defend both.) Sorry to inform you of this, but I didn't sign the agreements years ago.
You don't fight wars with what you want. You fight wars with what you have. Thank those people in office in the '90's.

Posted by: abadon at October 6, 2004 01:04 PM

As far as Saddam's WMD's, you're beating a dead horse that never was. Saddam made virtully all his WMD's himself. Oil-remember oil? Petrochemical plants always abound in oil rich area. Oil > pesticdes > nerve gasses. Bio-weapons? Ever done any home zymolgy? Not too hard, especially for a real country with many top notch western educated phd's. Chem weapons were used by Saddam 260 times against his own people,
not just in Halabja which is the only event shown
on the Rather scanty news media. What ever happened to all these stockpiles? What ever happened to the tons of bioweapons e.g. 8500 litters of anthrax powder he is known to have nade beyond any doubt? Enough to kill everyone on the planet several times over if dispersed properly. Think they may have made their way to maybe Syria while you shmucks insisted on delay.
Or maybe they were sent to Iran (just as Saddam did with his fighter aircraft to prevent their loss during the first gulf war). Many of the manufacturing components for his nulear wepons programs came from-guess where? France and Germany. They feed the monster, then don't want to deal with him when he grows too big. Not to mention that they won't get paid for all their snazzy equipment if the monster gets deposed. Lots of sand in the Arab lands. Good place for Ostrichs.

Posted by: abadon at October 6, 2004 01:34 PM

Hey Abadon.

I'm not sure who has their head in the sand here.

Try reading between the lines a little, you seem to parrot mainstream media views that promote a very specific agenda that has now been pretty well established as a bad approach for humanity. There are ways to deal with terrorism, and your way is not the one that history suggests will work - - it is fuel to the fire.

We're dealing with a war economy in the west that is fueled by the Israeli conflict in the middle east. There is enough power in the west to adequately deal with these problems through diplomacy, not force. But the war profiteers have hijacked any attempt to even openly discuss the causes of terrorism, let alone the solutions necessary to create peace.

Check out how the war profiteers intercept every attempt to ensure peace and stability in the modern era (or just keep your head in the sand, there is sand all over the world!):

http://www.lightwatcher.com/culturejam/anthrax_timeline.html

Cheers Rich

Posted by: Rich at October 6, 2004 03:03 PM

And the solution is?...

1) We all sing cum-ba-yah, and "give peace a chance"? Close our eyes and pretend the world is just like those old Star Tek episodes.

2) We all convert to Islam (atheists and agnostics too!). Allah is merciful, but infidels must all perish. The Mullahs in Iran have talented scientists working on some special "bulbs" so everyone will soon be able to see the true light of Islam.

3) We renounce fossil & nuclear fuels and (after a decade or so of mass starvation and genocide) return to an agrarian subsistence.

The U.N. is testing approaches #2 & #3 in a pilot progarm in the Sudan right now, and some EU countries seem to like the way it's working out. IMO, far too many people have forgotten the horrors of WWII.

Posted by: TJK at October 6, 2004 11:46 PM

Hey TJK,

How about doing Number 1, without the pretend part, but in fact holding our government responsible for what it does? I think that is all Rich is trying to say - Open your eyes to the reality of what we are living and what we are doing. That is step one.

Maybe we don't know what step two is, but that is not the point. I think we all know what the outcome of business as usual will be. Step one is simply awareness, because without awareness, we end up attacking the wrong problem because we don't understand what we are dealing with.

Posted by: Jesus at October 7, 2004 01:50 AM

IRAQ POSED NO THREAT at the time of invasion:

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12956,1321507,00.html

Read it and weep for America. If this is the case, we need to ask some hard questions. For example, why? Why did Bush go after IRAQ if there was no threat, and no connection to 9/11? I think that Rich has hit the nail on the head with his expose.

- George

Posted by: George at October 7, 2004 02:46 AM

We need to attack Saudi Arabia, Iran, Jordan,
Syria. Islam is death to America.
With all do respect to myself, I would tell
General Franks that you are full of shit and your
commander in chief, George W, Bush is full of
shit ! When you go to war, all of Islam is the
enemy. Islam means " Submit ". When these people
become the majority, just wait and see how they will treat you. I have first hand experience.
*R J Herron, Not to be confused with R J Reynolds
or R J Nabisco.

Posted by: R J Herron at October 7, 2004 05:14 AM

"We, the German Fuhrer and Chancellor, and the British Prime Minister, have had a further meeting today and are agreed in recognizing that the question of Anglo-German relations is of the first importance for our two countries and for Europe. We regard the agreement signed last night and the Anglo-German Naval Agreement as symbolic of the desire of our two peoples never to go to war with one another again.

We are resolved that the method of consultation shall be the method adopted to deal with any other questions that may concern our two countries, and we are determined to continue our efforts to remove possible sources of difference, and thus to contribute to assure the peace of Europe." Chamberlain read the above statement in front of 10 Downing St. and said:

"My good friends, for the second time in our history, a British Prime Minister has returned from Germany bringing peace with honour. I believe it is peace for our time...
Go home and get a nice quiet sleep."

-- Neville Chamberlain, 30 September, 1938.

Yes, his "consultation" certainly dissuaded Hitler, and the resulting "peace with honor" was truly memorable!

Posted by: TJK at October 7, 2004 06:29 AM

The true light of Islam is soon going to be apparent to everyone...radiating at about
100 million degrees centigrade and shaped like
a mushroom cloud. Better stock up on spf 10,000
sunblock. Pleasant dreams.

Posted by: abadon at October 7, 2004 10:43 AM

To Abadon and R J Herron,

With all due respect - violence only begets violence. Yes, Islam means submit to the will of God - are you one to buck God? In the end, everyone must submit.

But to paint all Muslims with the same brush is as wrong as to view all Christians as evil doers based on the radical few who kill doctors for performing abortions. There are plenty of f*cked up Christians out there as well - do you want to declare war on them, too? And while you're at it, declare war on everyone else you don't like.

As a superpower, it has been easy for the US to do that - to fight rather than get along. But the bully is not so big anymore. We've created our own enemies by abusing power. And now that abuse of power is coming back to haunt us. How long will you continue to blame "them" without any rational self analysis.

Here is more evidence that the Administration lied, just to serve their own ends:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13150-2004Oct6.html

And so Abandon, as you say, "The true light of Islam is soon going to be apparent to everyone...radiating at about 100 million degrees centigrade and shaped like a mushroom cloud."

We have already seen that true light of America in 1945 radiating out over Hiroshima, Japan.

It seems the only reason you want to fight is so that you can remain the oppressor, rather than the oppressed... But like it says in the Bible "the first ones now shall later be last" If that is the world you want to live in, then you better learn to pray, because eventually, America will be forced to submit.

Posted by: George at October 7, 2004 11:56 AM

Rich, I do see your point about an agenda and I do partly agree with you. The agenda you speak of has not exactly been set by any group of leaders though. Their policies are simply reactionary to the short sighted wants (not needs)
of the American public. We increasingly want more and more. The average man now lives in a house that most in the world would consider a castle. He straps a 5000 lb. piece of energy intensive metal to his body to go to the store to get a loaf of bread burning a good sized fossil converted tree in the process just to get there.
To power this level of economy requires more and more world entanglements...just do what it takes
but don't mess with my suv's or my 3000 gallon a day manicured lawn. Noone would dream of giving these things up. Better get junior started doing his push-ups. IMO the die is already cast. Most
don't overtly see it yet, but I have a hunch that
many have been feeling it for some time, but just
can't quite put a handle on it to grasp what it is
they are feeling. I'm not a 'new-ager' but am open minded enough to say there could be something
to the 'collective consciousness' idea. Perhaps
that would explain the drunken party on Wall Street. I can't help but think of a story of my grandfather on the railrod in 1944 on the troop trains having to use the fire hoses to quell the drunken revelry for their own safety. Yes, they were drunk and rowdy, but he said it was because they were scared s---less. thet knew where they were going. There is a much larger war coming.
I believe you can accept that as gospel. I honestly don't have all the answers. I wish I did.
Anyone who doubts this should read up on the 'Peak Oil' topic. Try 'life after the oil crash.com' to start. 'Dieoff.org' is also very good. Unfortunately all of the other alternate
ideaologies I've encountered smack of one form of communism or other. That's just as bad if not worse than the current foe. So, since the die is cast we have little choice. Look up 'carrying capacity' while you're at it. Some say 200 million is it. Conflicting viewpoints...maybe.
But that may be valuable in a war situation. It
makes one less predictable. Someone once said
that the ability to hold two conflicting viewpoints at the same time is the mark of genius. Genius maybe, or crazy..like a fox.
Go Au.

Posted by: abadon at October 7, 2004 12:25 PM

There are two distinct and very opposed ways to look at the current situation that the United States has found itself in. Since the end of WWII we have been considered the center of the free world. We helped our allies fight off the evil of communism and helped secure our friends with our nuclear umbrella. We were the "good guys" playing against the red evil "bad guys". Now don't get me wrong on this next part, I’m glad we won and that I got to grow up here, but this is part of self examination. In the name of fighting "them" we did some pretty horrific things. Let's start with Hiroshima and Nagasaki, history has pretty clearly shown that those acts had absolutely nothing to do with Japan. Japan was done and gone regardless of what their leadership was saying. Their back was broken and a few more fire bombings over Kobe or Tokyo would have had the same effect. We dropped the bombs to prove we could and would to the new Red menace of "Uncle" Joe Stalin. We knew what he was about, but turned a blind eye to it for expediencies sake (sometimes you need to fight evil with a different kind of evil). We stopped Stalin at Poland and Eastern Germany with the dropping of those bombs and probably stopped WWIII before it ever started. Moving forward we saw that the Middle East was an absolute integral part of any national security picture for our country and allies. We made many, many unholy alliances and even more stupid mistakes for expediencies sake. The worst was the imposition of the Israeli state in the middle of the most turbulent part of the world. This was not done to help one Jew; this was to make sure that a western friendly democracy would keep watch over the ever more important oil fields. And lest we forget that we created the Shaw of Iran and Saddaam's bathist' party. We made sure that all of these thugs and tyrants stayed in power because they were "our" thugs and tyrants. It was a global chess match like none that had ever been seen before, and it all rotated around the security of our energy base, namely oil.

Flash forward to the fall of the Berlin wall and we can now see quite clearly why the rest of the 3rd world feels the way it does about us. In many cases (like Somalia), we just dumped them like yesterdays paper, because they weren't needed any more. We ravaged that country, by selling arms and training guerilla's to fight against communist influences. People the globe over died by the hundreds of thousands if not millions for us and we dropped them like nothing. Just because we didn't have WWIII didn't mean there wasn't a war. We fought the "reds" at every turn, not with our own troops usually (although Vietnam, and Korea showed us what would happen if we did), but with our armaments shipped to hundreds of countries the world over. These people died and bled fighting the red scourge and when the Berlin wall fell we just picked up our ball and bat and went home and left the rest of the 3rd world to deal with the mess we made.

Well guess what they have been up to the last 13 years. Building hatred and despise for us. They supply us with oil and cheap labor and trinkets and every little thing our hearts desire. And in return they get little green pieces of paper that are now essentially worthless. And you all wonder why their pissed. We took advantage of our one superpower position and fucked them all real good. We have been taking their labor and real resources for decades now and paying them not in gold, or horses, or even conk shells. We have been shipping them worthless pieces of paper. No wonder their pissed. Do you really think that a nomadic sheep herder in Afghanistan who prays to the Koran 5 times a day would really give a shit about our "freedom" and would come half way around the world to end it. Bullshit!! They are here fighting us on our land because for decades we have been fighting our wars on their land. And now we have the audacity to wonder why they are pissed when countries throughout the world, who have been on the front lines of our wars are saying enough and are finally fighting back against us. This is realty folks. And if I hear the Rush Limbaugh’s of the world say one more time that they are here because they hate freedom, I think I'll puke.

Now the flip side. If you are actually reading this, you are complicent in everything in the first part as am I. The life we live in this country is so devoid of the realty of 80% of the globe. Most people live oppressed wretched lives. They live in squalid conditions and sometimes live only because of the food we send them. The way they live cannot be completely laid at our feet but a good part of it is because of us. If you love to drive your SUV 30 miles to work everyday and to go to the movies in the city every weekend and are completely unwilling to stop doing that. Then in my opinion you have no recourse then to vote for Bush and the neo cons. Because this next part of our country's existence will only stand through brute force. We have squandered one of the most precious gifts that God has ever given to humanity. Oil. There was enough energy in the ground to supply humanity for hundreds if not thousands of years. We blew through it in a little over a hundred. If you enjoy this website if you enjoy driving to your inlaws on the coast for a quick weekend. You had better vote for Bush. Because peak oil is here. And from here on out things get ugly. We as a country will either let others place their military's in places of power throughout the globe and thereby secure energy for their people or we will do it. Bush has decided we will do it. We are in Sudan, Iraq, Afghanistan, North Africa, South America and everywhere else there is even a chance at recovering significant oil. Soon on the hit list, Iran, Kazakhstan, and anywhere else there is oil. It will cost us dearly. It will cost us our sons (and now daughters), in perpetual war. It will cost us our precious freedoms, because a nation caught in perpetual war is the antithesis of a free nation. But, we will keep our cars and 3200 sq Ft homes for a few decades longer. Think about it.

Posted by: Feeling Wierd at October 7, 2004 02:09 PM

Quote George:

"Yes, Islam means submit to the will of God - are you one to buck God? In the end, everyone must submit."


George, in the famous words of Burt Gummer....

I WAS BORN TO HOLD OUT!

And let me also say, with whatever respect may be due though small as it is, fuck Islam. I am an American, you are just some sick asshole. In America, we have the right to disagree! And I in no uncertain terms and without condition I truthfully and proudly say that I disagree with Islam, it's precepts, and ethos. I object to it's creeds and rules, and no surrender will ever be given to men of such faith. Nor will any quarter be given.

How you can stand to be associated with savages who cut off heads in the name of Allah...ugh... that is intolerable. That's why the middle east is under siege. That's why Iraq and Aghanistan are being occupied.

Posted by: I am Jack's Revolutionaries at October 7, 2004 03:39 PM

Jack's Revoultionaries

You are under the mistaken thought process that we just declared war on those countries after 9/11. from their point of view, we have been at war with them for decades. We destroyed Afganistan to "save" it from the communist. We littered it with mines and killed an entire generation of afghan's to save it from the big Red machine. The people of all these country's that we need oil from, have been at war with us for decades. Just because we have a nice puppet dictator at the helm, doesn't mean that the people somehow adore us. They don't!!

But, the cold harsh reality of the situation, is that we have all the best weapons all the best trained troops and an itatiable appitite for oil. Our entire existance as we know it today is based on cheap available oil. And if we all want to keep our nice charished consumer lives. What we are doing over there must be done. I just recently came to these conclusions and am having a hard time dealing with them. I want my sons to enjoy life as I did. But, if I don't stand up now and do something, in 12 short years my oldest one will be going to war to make sure that I can drive my 3 ton iron monster to the grocery store whenever it is that I want to.

Posted by: Feeling Wierd at October 7, 2004 04:21 PM

Hey Jack,

Hold out all you want, but in the end we all bite the dust. Lucky you, for being an American and getting to express your opinion. That is why Rich and I provide the site, for Americans just like you to exercise your right to disagree. George is also exercising his right.

However, Jack, with rights come responsibilities - this is something that Americans tend to forget. And while you have the right to express yourself, to call someone an asshole while doing it is an abuse of your responsibilities.

I suggest you read the two posts immediately above yours for tips on how to express your opinions in a civilized manner, without resorting to Ad Hominem attacks.

Intolerance such as the kind you express is the root of violence and war. "I'm right and you're wrong and a asshole, so I have to kill you."

Now, how about you apologize to George for calling him an asshole?

Cheers, Michael

Posted by: Michael Nystrom at October 7, 2004 04:26 PM

Bravo, Michael. Well said.

Posted by: Snick at October 7, 2004 04:27 PM

Yes, the United States is definitely the world's champion opressor. We live large on the sweat, toil, and bones of poor 3rd world countries.

Sure, and to believe that, please ignore

1) 130 million+ lives snuffed by Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, & assorted Islamic despots.

2) Half a million Americans who died to salvage Europe from its feudal hot flashes and Germany's great experiment in continental "unification".

3) The FACT that the U.S. could easily have captured 90% of Middle Eastern oil reserves back in 1991, but chose not to pursue that route.

The reality is that citizens of the U.S. enjoy a prolific lifestyle because they work harder and developed better systems of government and finance than others. With 5% of the population, we consume 25% of the world's energy resources and produce 30% of the world's wealth. So other than envy, what's the problem?

Posted by: TJK at October 7, 2004 04:51 PM

TJK

That is what we used to be. Back when we were a producer nation, when we used to make things and lived within our means. When our money meant something in world. Sorry my friend we are not your father's America anymore. We are a country of overspenders and consume it all now and don't save anything for our kids country. We are living on the saving, blood sweat and lives of our forefathers. We are contributing nothing to the future of our country except for strife and conflict. Wake up.

Posted by: feeling Wierd at October 7, 2004 04:56 PM

And while I'm at it, let's talk about Stalin and all those 3rd world islamic dictators. Who made sure that Stalin and the communist revolution took hold. It was us. We made a deal with the devil in WWII, and sided with Stalin against Hitler and in exchange we got mass slaughter in the Eastern European nations instead of the Western Eurpean nations and 40 years of cold war to boot. As far as Islamic militsm is concerened, there is ample evidence to prove that the CIA and NSA were behind the radical islamic movements in the 50's and 60's as a hedge against these countries going communist. If there is one thing that a raghead hates worse than a westerner is a Commie. So, we made sure that Islamic Fundementalism took hold in these countries and now were paying the price for that as we paid the price for helping Stalin in the 30s and 40's.

Posted by: Feeling Wierd at October 7, 2004 05:03 PM

What people need to understand is how the banking industry and government, coupled with the military industrial complex, has been waging war against the population of the world for several hundred years. [Anthony Sutton has written a series of books on how the west transferred technology to the Communists throughout the Cold War in order to keep the conflict alive.]

Behind the facade of ideological conflict are typically a bunch of corporate criminals engineering events for profit.

Humanity is just so naive, and so full of self-respect and a positive sense of the value of human life and existence, that it can't see through the fog of war and identify the perpetrators of these crimes.

The sinking of the Lusitania, Pearl Harbor, the Gulf of Tonkin incident, 9/11 - all of them are very suspect events and full of contradiction. Each event smacks of complicity on the part of the victim in order to affect a desired outcome - - i.e. using the event as the pretext for war.

The point I'm trying to make is that we are not learning from all of the mistakes of the past. We've allowed America to be hijacked by an aristocracy that is now ruining the nation one decade at a time through a central banking system that requires perpetual growth through government debt and taxation - which inevitably leads to war, and war profiteering.

If you really want to read one solution go and buy this book. Crashmaker, A Federal Affaire (it is no surprise that the only place you can buy this book is on the Internet - you cannot find this book in any new bookstore.)

www.crashmaker.com

The book is in 2 hardback volumes, is 1,500 pages long of small type on large pages. It is a full expose, in novel form, of Jeckyl Island, the creation of the Fed, taxation, the history of the first Bank of the United States, war profiteering, globalization and the creation and execution of the New World Order. It contains a full description in great detail of a legal and political fix of our current set of circumstances.

I challenge you to buy and read this book. It will change your world - of that I am 100% sure. Why no one is talking about this amazing work is tragic, it will one day be considered a masterpiece.

Cheers Rich

Posted by: Rich Lancaster at October 8, 2004 01:26 AM

Some of you seem to have forgotten that Christians not islamics launched the crusades back in 1066 ... For 400 years they occupied jerusalem and the vicinity. At one time christians, european christians ate muslims, most of the time they committed massacres... Very often they killed local christians. At the time Islam was far more tolerant than christianity. Islam countries were also more advanced in many sciences. Europe looted it all and brought everything home.

Nowadays things have changed. All right. The Iran leaders apply strictly the chariah. This can not be generalised to all islamists...

The funny thing in this process is that while the 3 monotheists religion fight ... Asia counts the score. And guess who'll be the winners ?

THe US era is coming to an end. The oil era also. What we see are the pathetic convulsions of a dying body.

Posted by: DF at October 8, 2004 09:28 AM

Someone explain me please.
The report on employement is not good. Industrial production is down in GB Germany, Housing prices are down in GB ... Clearly the mood is down ... ANd the stocks do not fall ...
Where has the old capacity of markets to foresee the future gone ? ??

I mean CRASH is now written in huge capital letters. Ain't it ?

Posted by: DF at October 8, 2004 03:33 PM

I'm not saying the U.S. is always right, and of late, our national balance sheet is a total disaster. But in the arc of history from 1900 to the present, we've been the only nation that acted against opression. Do you honestly believe the EU would be considering a constitution today if the U.S. had stayed home during WWII? No, the dilettantes in Brussles and Paris would be lying in unmarked graves, and their children would know what a size-15 boot feels like as it's thrust across their subserviant necks.


95% of history is written in blood, with human dignity an afterthought. The threat to Civilization posed by Islamic fanatics is very real. Unfortunately free people of the world have failed to learn (or have simply forgotten) the hard lessons of the past.

Posted by: TJK at October 8, 2004 06:42 PM

Thanks for the site Michael. Take it down any time you want I don't complain.

quote:
[snip]

"However, Jack, with rights come responsibilities - this is something that Americans tend to forget. And while you have the right to express yourself, to call someone an asshole while doing it is an abuse of your responsibilities.

I suggest you read the two posts immediately above yours for tips on how to express your opinions in a civilized manner, without resorting to Ad Hominem attacks.

Intolerance such as the kind you express is the root of violence and war. "I'm right and you're wrong and a asshole, so I have to kill you."

Now, how about you apologize to George for calling him an asshole? "

[end snip]

The man was inferring that I should submit to the will of Allah in the name of Islam. I must not buck God, as Islam teaches us -- is what George said.

I don't hold my outburst thusly because I believe it to be right I hold it thusly because I can! Small minds are always trying to justify their morality, as shown by adherents to a submissive religion of decapitation and amputations to uphold a law of disguised dominance.

Michael... are you insane? Apologize... civility? The free world is under siege by ignorance in the form of religion and you want to lecture me on the finer arts of gentile communication.

Please!

The power of your website is insignificant to the overwhelming power of the cultural revolution. Though you may object to the coarse and ogrish conflagration of the heaps of smaller minds enslaved to Islam, nonetheless I will not reverse my expression. George can muster up his church or mosque or temple going friends and beat it the hell out of a damn fine nation, indivisible, one nation -- without God.

LONG LIVE FREEDOM!

Posted by: I am Jack's Revolutionaries at October 8, 2004 08:10 PM

"genteel" rather, not "gentile". All this talk of Muslims and Christians, you know.

Posted by: IAJR at October 8, 2004 08:26 PM

I tend to believe that a lot (not all) of this talk about 'understanding' our enemies and why they are so is ill-advised and dangerous at this time. I believe the cum-bay-yah-ists are the ones misunderstanding the situation-just as in Viet Nam. Based on my life experiences as well as fairly extensive study of world affairs and history (compared to the average American Do-Do),
I think all of the 'reasons' put forth by our enemies for their actions are a smokescreen. One
of the best examples of this was Israel under
I think Barak in the 90's. Persuing peace at any cost he gave away the store including the wife and children. He agreed to 98% of Arafat's demands, then Arafat rejected the whole thing.
If they (the Palestinians > Moslims) had realized and accepted their own demands they would now have no visible reason before the world to continue their hostilities. The fact that they rejected their own demands once they were offered proves the those demands were not their real objective. Their real goal in this particular case is Isreal gone and every Jew dead. On a larger scale they are simply trying to embark on a power trip. I say this because I think this is simply human nature-the desire to wield power over others infects almost all of us to a greater or lesser extent. (A primal thing.) Most civilized people teach their children to control these impulses. Jerry Falwell is a good example using religion as a tool to excercise power over others. I believe the real objective of this movement is to force the entire world eventually to convert or die.
Of the big three western religions, Islam by far has used more force than the others to spread the word. Unfortunately and historically cum-bay-yah-ing usually only works once you have beaten you enemy senseless making him more amenable to singing along. As far as 'oppression' and U.S.
policies, well I'll tell you one thing-I'd much rather be 'oppressed' by the U.S. than anyone else on the planet. Yes,we may ruffle a few
feathers now and then, but we also advance civilizations, feed, educate, and provide medical
assistance on a massive scale around the world in an attempt to bring stability and prevent some (not all) of the civil wars and genocides due to Primal Urge #1. (Yes, it really is #1. Not sex.
Ever think about rape? Power-not sex.) Jimmy Carter berated the American people a while back as being the "stingiest people on earth".
Please, give me a break, peanut brain.
Ifthe U.S. wants to oppress me, then "bring it on". Just don't forget to bring the foreign aid check.

Posted by: abadon at October 8, 2004 11:12 PM

Well,I agree with everyone in one way or another.all I can say is,people have wrong "feelings" backed up with "explanations" based on lack of "understanding" due to "inexperience"!or a bad "experience" reinforced by "explanations" designed to "justify" their "fear" of a repeat of same or worse!
example would be the word communism has a "bad" connotation generaly in this country.I on the other hand have no "fear","hatred","dislike" and in fact think that it has a "good" meaning.after all it is a derivative of "community".which stands for "common-unity".what kind of idiot would think that is a bad thing!just because a country that tried to enforce socialistic ideas on it's people failed does that mean that a word has to mean something "bad"?not to mention the word socialism!same thing applies!social means freindly and cooperative and willing to get along with others!tell me that's a bad thing!freedom from---hatred caused by "word" triggers that act like feeling "switches" that cause the "sense" of community and social function to be replaced by the percieved "threat" of life and "posessions"--is essential--to a persons "self education" in order not to be a "contributer" or "co-conspirator" to the "destuction" of human harmonious existance.
I always liked HE-MAN!righteous dude!

Posted by: numnuts at October 9, 2004 06:16 AM

Dear Numnutts, your monicker suits you well. If I believed in reincarnation I would say you were probably a termite in your previous life, or perhaps an ant or a worker bee. Just think, if you're a good boy and work real hard you just might get to come back as one of the Borg next time around. resistance is futile, resistance is futile, resistance is futile, resistance is futile, resistance is futile, resistance is futile, resistance is futile, resistance is futile, resistance is futile, resistance is
futile...RESISTANCE IS NOT FUTILE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: abadon at October 9, 2004 09:36 AM

Dear Numnutts, your monicker suits you well. If I believed in reincarnation I would say you were probably a termite in your previous life, or perhaps an ant or a worker bee. Just think, if you're a good boy and work real hard you just might get to come back as one of the Borg next time around. resistance is futile, resistance is futile, resistance is futile, resistance is futile, resistance is futile, resistance is futile, resistance is futile, resistance is futile, resistance is futile, resistance is
futile...RESISTANCE IS NOT FUTILE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: abadon at October 9, 2004 09:37 AM

Reading about war profits has given me an acute case of the munchies. (Excuse me for a moment while I go to the fridge, one more time)Thank you.

War profiteers. Drug profiteers. Sit on my ass and sell bogus insurance profiteers. Political profiteers to provide a nice conspiritorial atmosphere. The hand of evil hard at work. Oh, wait a minute, I got carried away, thats Capitalism at work.

Hard at work turning a fairly decent world into a demonic circus ride. I've got an antidote to this: lets all just go home and mind our own damn business for a change.

Posted by: Fed-Up EXPRESS at October 10, 2004 05:45 AM

Fed-Up.

I don't think it's anything to do with Capitalism. Here's the dictionary definition:

"An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market."

I'm a rabid capitalist - I haven't seen a better system anywhere on planet earth for free people to build their own future with access to other's capital to make it happen. It's a pretty simple model and it works, look at China under capitalism - compared to Communism. They are thriving, the human spirit resonates with a form of benign capitalism. Capitalism that gives the individual access to investment capital so they can start something of their own.

The key here is the "benign" part. We don't have pure capitalism in the world today. With the Fed Reserve form of private/public money creation, rampant fractional reserve banking, usury interest (especially to the least well educated on the subject of money), etc. in reality we have a monopolistic/capitalist system with strong ties to the socialists.

The capitalism we do have is devolving in to a monopoly where ultimately the banks control all major industries. This emerging monopoly exists side by side with a growing social state that feeds another form of statism with the socialists who want to monopolize everything and control it through the state.

So we have 2 parallel and synergistic forms of statism that are parasiting off society. Not exactly what America was set up to become! Everybody has their hands in someone else's pockets and is happily trying to redistribute wealth, either through interest rates from the banks or taxes from the government. At the top of the stinking heap sit a bunch of very sophisticated individuals who at the end of the day will tolerate the status quo and will cooperate tightly with each other as long as they get their share of the redistribution of our wealth.

That ain't capitalism, that's something really messed up.

Again, go buy and read "Crashmaker" it'll open your eyes to how this system really functions (I mean dysfunctions).

Cheers Rich

Posted by: Rich at October 10, 2004 04:49 PM

Rich, good post! These are important things to think about. Our Red enemies failed at the front door. Maybe we should have been watching the back door as well.

Posted by: abadon at October 11, 2004 02:29 AM

dear abadon,thank you for proving my point!God has power over everything.......no matter if you find him by any ones ideology including your own!God in the old testament was eliminator of enemys but with the coming of the Christ God is committed to bringing others to God and this is the new covenant to be practised.Yea,even to the death!but hey!no one's perfect!so the best we can expect is to use force in a defensive and even proactive way always considering the life of the other combatant.if they can be saved,all the better!no outright murder is justified because they are the called enemy!.live long and prosper!

Posted by: numnuts at October 11, 2004 04:34 AM

"An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market."

Banking is inherent to the process of the circulation of money and to the accumulation of capital. Banks create paper money out of nothing (It does not matter if you are in a gold standard or not) and this allows growth in exchanges and economic expansion. With no paper money there would not be enough gold around to efficiently trade.
Banking is lending money to investors, firms mainly. (Unless you disagree with the corporation, indeed back in the 19th century many advocated that the creation of corporations was a dilution of indidual responsability and the beginning of monopoly and tyranny). And guess what, money goes to where money already is ... Those who already have, can offer securities, they get cheaper credit. So concentration is inherent to capitalism.

What I'm refering to is the secular trends in optimism, pessimism. The accumulation of debt is an excessive optimism on future returns ... It soon reaches a point of no return, where there is a blind faith in future return and neglect of any data that does not fit the expectations. They comes the bust.
In the 70's the soviets could not meet their production objectives. Yet they did not contest their state communism. Then came the fall.
In the 00's you'll find the USA will not meet their profit objectives. They will not contest their corporate capitalism. Then the fall will come.
What will come hence after will or will not be called capitalism ... But it will be as different to corporate capitalism now, as the present corporate capitalism is to post WWII state capitalism or pre 1929 individual laissez faire.

There's no way we're heading backwards. What is happening now is clearly a failure of markets and hierarchies (corporations). Back to gold is no solution. Von Mises is outdated.
The solution may well lie in some new rights promoting education and mobility and in renewed cooperation outside of financial motivations or(as in Linux, where people are both producers and consumers).

I think the crisis to come will be akin to the 1990 crisis for the east block.

Posted by: DF at October 12, 2004 02:45 PM

Love is not of(but comes into)this world!you are either living for love or you are living for personal gain in this world.this is the cause of all of man's problems.Love allows gain to come but does nothing of it's own thru force or demand to guarantee it!
The world is getting so small(connected) that we are facing a crisis in lifestyle and culture.we are being confronted by the formerly hidden results of our ignorance of ourselves and our country on the news everyday!that is why the takeover of the media airwaves is a threat to our freedom to make a correct choice of lifestyle for the betterment of the world community!Love is a one world promoter!are you a one world patriot!

Posted by: numnuts at October 13, 2004 04:35 AM

Humanity has evolved from the individual, to the family unit, to the village, the town and then the city. From the city state we collected ourselves in to the nation and more recently we evolved in to blocks of countries that share similar interests, etc.

The next evolution will be in to One World, where we are all part of the same community of nations - some derivative or version of the League of Nations/United Nations.

This is a very emotive topic and "true patriots" cannot image a time in the future where they'd willingly trade their soveriegnty for some kind of global entity - - but the tide of human evolution is, from where I sit, unstoppable - - like it or not.

Now the question is: "What flavor of New World Order do we really want?" A Corpocracy or some form of loose collection of nations that work together but maintain independence and their own unique culture. I know what I want.

Cheers Rich

Posted by: Rich Lancaster at October 14, 2004 01:03 AM

I may be wrong about this, but I thought this has always been one world. Please let me know if I need to know if there is more than one world.

Not to be a wiseguy, but there has been global trade for quite a few decades and centuries now. The British traded opium with China until some Chinese leader decided that too much opium for the Chinese was enough. Some people are hard to please.

The Portugese had a heck of a time with the Muslims vying for trade with India. They fought tooth and nail, too. There is no love lost between the Portugese and the Muslim world.

There is a world of horsetraders out there and they've been doing it for a long time. You're not going to please everybody, even in the most modern era ever imagined by man.

I'm not going to try and figure it out. Peace is better.

Posted by: Ron at October 15, 2004 02:03 AM

That one world government is sure to happen. But first what we are going to face now is a movement back to the block of countries. The reason ? Same as 1930's. Facing depression, ever lower prices from outside, countries will start to raise trade barriers, this however stupid they know it may be collectively. The thing is the market process got us into the big mess we are now : corporations have lowered wages by having workers compete worlwide, they have sold their goods by lending always more to the consumers. They have increased profit by leveraging. They've had everybody believe that asset prices could go up forever, that people were rich. Now this bubble, inherent to the market system, only magnified by the fiat money is about to bust.
As it does more and more things that have been deregulated, will become regulated again. And to issue rules, you have to reduce the possibility to opt out of these rules by a market decision. That's how countries and most probably block of countries will insulate themselves against the global market.
Bets taken. The difference will be seen in less than 5 years. (watch the difference in momentum, remember the GATT, look at the mess now in seattle, doha ...)
When this new phase of reregulating is over, then may be we'll move into another phase, towards a world government. Not in the next 30 years ...

Posted by: DF at October 15, 2004 04:04 PM

while it has always been 1 world it is now becoming so intermingled because of communication technologies and tranportation availability and affordability that the influences of cultures is being spread and of course our culture seems the most attractive materially so this threatens the values of other cultures to the point that radical adherents to their firm beliefs are being offended and feel destined to respond!and of course religion of all nations is the value system that is in clash!I find it strange that some christian networks in this country feel it necessary to strut their stuff in support of defeating all other religions especially those in conflict right now!I think this is counter productive to peace and downright opportunistic if not just childish behavior!or to put it another way,this country is full of religious fanatics just like any other might be!from most of the people who are out to destroy the enemy it seems apparent their real objection is just they fear any way shape or form of God being forced on them!if you ask me these terrorists as they are referred to are not very smart or dedicated.at least up until the war on terror!then we told them exactly how to cripple us in the worst way but who knows if they paid attention!sorta like pearl harbor the dummies hit and went home!I think they just wanted to get the trade center as a representation of our world influence on commerce.and to make up for the previous botched effort!even the currant administration does not think a dirty bomb can be stopped from being used here.much easier to make and smaller but would have the relative same catistrophic economic effect!not as frightening to watch though!after all,we invented the bomb and used it first and now the possiblity is that what goes around comes around!

Posted by: numnuts at October 15, 2004 04:13 PM

Profiteering from war has a downside. People will fight so it costs too much to do it. Then the war ends.

Posted by: Ron at October 15, 2004 08:54 PM

We are not fighting a " people " .

We are fighting a " Philosophy " .

I have it on good word from the National Security Agency that Iraq as a base and the pull-out of NATO forces in Europe will set in motion, both surgical and large scale strikes in Iran. Taking place after election. Operation: Robust...in the back field.
The hams and the loins of the axis of evil will
be addressed. In fact, forth rightgeousness of informers will be rewarded.

Posted by: Arduth Bay at October 20, 2004 05:32 AM

I didn't know you could fight a philosophy by dealing with the hams and the loins, I thought the method was to change perspectives - usually everyone's in order to reach a new status quo. Such is the history of wars against terrorism. Just look how successful the Israeli's are being with the Palestinians - or the British with the IRA. The more hams and loins that are "dealt" with, the more there are to deal with!

Violence begets violence and the cycle spins around again.

The art of diplomacy, and a large part of the art of living, is striking meaningful compromise through empathy. Until we learn to understand each other there will be no peace and only losers - - again, who is winning in Israel today (easy answer: NO ONE).

Arguably the IRA are winning in Northern Ireland as they are now moving towards an autonomous government, official recognition and probably permanent control of Northern Ireland as the population changes and the Catholics emerge as the majority.

The Bush Doctrine can only end in more tears, we are not living in the 19th Century when the British could use a relatively small amount of military force to achieve amazing economic gains in very remote places - - the game changed.

We must be more sophisticated in our approach and begin to define the problem we are facing before we react violently and against the wrong targets.

Rich

Posted by: Rich Lancaster at October 21, 2004 02:02 AM

Violence only begets violence if you leave your enemy with the ability to wage more violence. By definition, if you HAMMER them to the point of extinction if necessary THEY CAN WAGE NO MORE VIOLENCE. The Kerry crowd has been claiming that Bush is negligent for not addressing Iran and North Korea. So we're supposed to invade? The ignorant public doesn't realize we can't launch invasions of these from the sea. We need large land forces in place. Just look where we're at!!
Right next door in Iraq in prime position. Sounds like good strategy to me. N. korea may require a different approach since the South won't let us use their real estate (at least until the North decides to strike the South first).

Posted by: abadon at October 22, 2004 08:16 AM


Air Force 1 - on Fire " NEWS FLASH ! "

Flight engineer to pilot: engine # 4 leaking oil...........................huge trade deficit

Feather engine # 1............huge war deficit

Bell ring ! Pull up...Pull up

#2 engine gone :................. jobs deficit

#1 engine failing : 4-more years , so that 1%
can get 80% of the tax cuts......tax cut deficit

George Walker Bush to Pilot : When are we landing ?

Posted by: Arduth Bay at October 22, 2004 09:21 PM

There goes the neighborhood.

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